During a visit to Peter Ruckman's church in 2007 it was no surprise that no blacks were to be found in the auditorium among the hundreds in attendance. A typical church running several hundred in the south will normally have at least some blacks, but this was not the case on the day we visited. There is no sign that says "no blacks allowed," but a black person who knows about Ruckman's racist views would have good reason not to feel welcome.
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Oh, like the cartoon depiction in his book of a black woman wearing roller skates and listening to a boom box? Complete with over blown lips and a reference to her ushering in the antichrist?
nahhh… not racist at all!
I remember that picture in one of his books.
Looking back, I am saddened I was too young to realize I was reading the works of a true madman.
That's O.K! It happens! Bottom line the blinders came off before it's too late! So for you, me, and a few other people out there it won't be such an awful surprise at the judgement seat of christ as will be the unfortunate case with a lot of other people! However that was their choice!
His weird addition to the Trinity that Jesus is Gods body, the Father Gods soul and the Holy Spirit his Spirit, has been turned into a doctrine by itself online causing quite a few to reject the trinity in favour of it! Maybe webmaster should do an article on it?! Ruckman has some answering at the judgement seat of Christ!
If you have some quotes backing up what you say please provide them.
Jesus is God's Body! What part of 1 Timothy 3:16 and John 1:1-5 doesn't this guy understand?
Some verses that shed light on the matter:
Jn. 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Jn. 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
1 Ti. 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jn. 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Luk. 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Col. 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Jesus is God, therefore it was proper for him to say “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father” (Jn. 14:9). But Jesus is not God the Father’s body. God does not have a body, but is rather an incorporeal being. God the Father has manifested himself in different forms, including human form, but that does not mean he has a body. The Holy Spirit manifested himself in the form of a dove, but that does not mean the Holy Spirit is a dove. I do not have a dove indwelling me. God the Father does not have a body of flesh and bones.
If Jesus was God’s body, how did Jesus hear God the Father’s voice from heaven in Mat. 3:17? The Trinity is God in three persons. If Jesus is God’s body, how can God be in three persons?
The Bible often refers to God in metaphorical terms, such as in Ps. 91:4 “He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.” References to God’s hand and other body parts would be called personification in grammar.
God manifested himself in many different ways, such as a burning bush, a pillar of a cloud and fire, etc. So for God to have manifested himself in the flesh as it states in 1 Tim. 3:16 does not mean God the Father has a body, any more than he is not a cloud nor a fire, especially when you consider that Jn. 4:24 teaches that God is a Spirit, and in Lk. 24:39 it defines a spirit as having no flesh and bones, and 1 Tim. 6:16 informs us that God cannot be seen.
Allow me to clarify my position based on scriptures you didn't bother citing:
1. Jesus existed as The Word before He was manifested in the flesh: John 1:1, 1 Timothy 3:16.
2. Therefore, God the Son existed before He had a Body. There is ONE God and the Word is God- John 1:1, Genesis 1:1.
3. God the Son NOW has a Body- Luke 24:39, Ephesians 5:30.
4. Jesus said "I and the Father are one"- John 10:30.
5. Therefore, since God the Son has a Body-as is abundantly clear from Luke 24:39, and God the Father and God the Son are One, and the Son is the Word and the Word is God, and the Word was made flesh-John 1:14.
How then say ye that God does not have a Body?
Okay, so I agree that God the Father can be said to not have a flesh and bones body, but God the Son does- Luke 24:39, Ephesians 5:30. There is One God, but a difference in the members of the Godhead, if that is what you are trying to say?
However, let's get rid of this unscriptural idea of this ridiculous term of "incorporeal being". That is NOT a scriptural term and no where does the Bible say that a spirit does not have a bodily form. A spirit is not flesh and bones, but that does not mean it doesn't have a form to it. I believe this is true of God's Spirit as well. Otherwise how is it that God made man in His image if there is no form to that image? An image must have a form as some kind of body or structure, otherwise "image" is the wrong word to use! Let's not make the error of assuming that it must have flesh and bones to qualify as a "body".
The cherubim are spirits and yet they have an amazing bodily form!- Ezekiel 10. Ezekiel 14 also makes it clear that God the Father on His Throne does have a bodily form!
The Bible affirms in many passages (some already provided) that God the Father is invisible, that he is a Spirit, that no one could see Him and live, and so forth. It is one of the most well-established teachings in the Bible, Ruckman’s views notwithstanding.
“His image” (referring to God) does not have to involve a physical image. As humans, we like to visualize most things in a material or physical manner, and that is normal. But God transcends time and space and everything involved in the physical world he created. He does not have to be bound by any laws of nature. Without using the actual term, the Bible establishes that God the Father is omnipresent. Consider Psalm 139:8, “If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.” If he has a body, or some kind of permanent physical form, how could He be everywhere at once?
Because He has no body, God the Father has often chosen in his sovereignty to manifest himself in some form to us. Perhaps when we see God the Father on his throne someday he will manifest himself in some form. However, we must not treat personal speculation as fact, something Ruckman does constantly.
We must consider that once in heaven, “we’ll understand it all by and by” as the old hymn goes, and we may not have the need to visualize as many things in a physical fashion. Currently we cannot hope to understand all the Bible teaches. Our duty is to believe it.
I see what you're saying. God is omnipresent and is truly not bound by any natural form! We are agreed on that point. I think the scriptures that do give God a human form are probably manifestations of the Son. I think we're just arguing two sides of the same coin, or two sides of the Triune God. Truly an amazing subject of discussion! God bless.
I realize we've gone way beyond the subject of this article. But do you believe Jesus still has the flesh and bones NOW in Heaven that He had in Luke 24:39?
Or you could just email me personally. Thanks and God bless.
Jesus is in heaven in a glorified body. Rev. 22:3-4 says,
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads
Ezekiel 1:26 and Revelation 22:4 must refer to God the Son then. Would you agree or disagree?
I was looking over all the scriptures we've cited back and forth and talked with a Christian friend of mine about every verse. I've concluded that Ezekiel 1:26 and Revelation 22:4, and other verses, MUST refer to God the Son and NOT God the Father. Every physical manifestation of God in the Old Testament MUST refer to the pre-Incarnate Christ! Thank you Webmaster for reviving a subject which I haven't dealt with in a very long time. It was a good refresher!
Sorry, the reference to God's bodily form is Ezekiel chapter one, verse 26, not Ezekiel 14
Are you a follower of Jimmy Swaggart, Mormonism, Jack Hyles, Steven Anderson or a Positive Confessionalist, for the only groups teaching this eternal body nonsense are such? Furthermore, do you understand Trinitarianism never has denied the distinct subsistence between Father & Son, but you have in a similar fashion to the polytheist Mormons, Steven Anderson or Oneness Pentecostal?
Primitive Baptist Forum,
I take your comment of "eternal body nonsense" as blasphemy against Luke 24:39 and no, I am not a polytheist.
Why is it that you can't argue from scripture in your comments? I don't like Swaggert, the Mormons or Oneness Pentecostals, for the record. But why bring them into it at all? I think it's because you would rather bring in irrelevant elements that have nothing to do with the conversation. At least the Webmaster does most of his rebuttals with clear scripture!
I am an avid student of Dr. Ruckman.
Most black folk won't go beacuse of the music.
I myself uf I were in Pensacola Florida, Id be a faithful member!
why no blacks in his church ?
When I visited Pensacola and stopped to ask some people where this church was, my question was countered with “Is it a white church or a black church?.” So, apparently that’s part of the accepted custom down there with some. I don’t remember if there were any blacks in his church that day or not, but I’m sure they would be welcomed.
Blacks are not shunned from Bible Baptist Church, Pensacola, FL. Having had attended there many many times more than “just one” I have personally witnessed black people in attendence on many more than one ocassion. Please don’t believe everything you read without studying it out for yourself!
I also have attended there many times in the past unfortunately and every single time any minority of any kind mistakenly walked into that place, Ruckman would say racist remarks or “jokes”, or whatever he could do until they left. The word n***** was used very frequently. I am very ashamed that I ever attended a place like that but I was young and stupid and my boyfriend was a member and I would go with him. The very last time I ever went I went outside and actually threw up on the sidewalk because his ignorant, racist rant made me literally sick. I never went back again. So I’m not believing what I read, I witnessed it many times. I can’t believe this man calls himself a “man of God” or that so many people follow his teachings. It’s very sad.
I Left a church in Panama City Fl because of that same issue. At the time I had no clue as to who Peter Ruckman was other than the guy that did chalk art as he preached. He came to visit our church and did the very same thing…… I never went back after being a member of two years. I also learned that the preacher, a former student of PBI, would ask black visitors if they would feel more comfortable by going to a different church.
Suzanne, I would like to thank you for the lies you told about Dr. Peter Ruckman. Dr. Ruckman has been home with our Savior the Lord Jesus Christ for over a year now and yet because of the lies you tell about him on the internet he is still piling up rewards to lay at the feet of Jesus at the great white throne judgement. So on that account again I say thank you. Just to let you know this so-called racist has 9 earned degrees from major universities in the United States. He also had an I.Q. of 190. That also has been verified. I personally have attended Bible Baptist Church of Pensacola many times, and I agree with you, the building is large, and yes it is painted white. I hate to blow a hole in your story but it is a very small church that only runs hundreds during graduation and revival as it is home to "Pensacola Bible Institute", which is a preachers college. The "N" word has never, and I mean NEVER been spoken or heard there period! You are either awfully brave, or awfully stupid (my guess is the latter personally) to say the things you say about Dr. Ruckman knowing them to be complete and total lies. For your edification, he has never called himself "a man of God" that is a title reserved for Catholic priests. Secondly, he teachs the King James Bible "literally" as the inerrant Word of God, as it was meant to be taught, and I can't belive more people don't believe what he preached, but the Lord told us that men would not endure sound doctrine and unless you are a boy named Sue, women won't endure sound doctrine either. Thirdly, and why I believe you are a liar that has never been the Bible Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida, there is NO SIDEWALK to throw up on. Lastly, concerning you testimony, how is it you missed all of the Asian members? Well it sure is good to hear from someone as self-righteous as you are. IYou said so yourself, you are so godly that to just hear the "N" word makes you throw up. You are a candidate for sainthood. I sure hope you never scan the radio in your vehicle while driving. I mean what if you accidentally stop on a "rapper"? The lyrics alone might cause you to choke to death on your own puke and what a loss to humanity that would be! Anyway ever so often the Lord gives us someone that ignoramouses fall to their knees and worship. We had the Virgin Mary, then Joan of Arc, then Madonna, and now Old Suzanne. Your not Catholic are you, the other 3 were. The Lord tells us to pray for our enemies and since Dr. Ruckman can't exactly pray for you I hope you don't mind but I would like to take a shot at it for you. The Lord give to you even as you give to Dr. Ruckman, the Lord take from you even as you attempt to take from Dr. Ruckman, full measure, shaken, and overflowing blessing for blessing, and curse for curse! Amen.
I cannot speak for Suzanne, and I cannot speak as a former church member of BBC in Pensacola. But what Suzanne says is more credible for reasons I will share. Ruckman has been known to refer to blacks with the “N” word in his writings. He has also bragged as follows: “I tell ‘nigger’ jokes while teaching.” (Bible Believers’ Bulletin reprint #7 Strictly Personal. 2004, p. 263). Concerning Jay’s denying that there is a sidewalk at the church (in an attempt to justify calling Suzanne a liar) I will post a picture and let the facts speak for themselves.
That's an assumption, I speak with Brian Donovan the current pastor and I have spoken to several atbthe Church.
I don't get any racism .
Its common in all church’s in the area.
As a previous poster said , most are either black or white.
With 400 or so listed in the phone book its easy to choose one that meets your color choice.
ON the back wall they show missionaries in Africa.
I live around the corner from PBI and attend on occasion.
Do phone book listings for churches tell you whether it is a white or black church so you can choose accordingly? I don't think so. If black people know anything about Ruckman's views, they obviously stay away.
Just because Ruckman's church supports missionaries to Africa does not prove the pastor is not racists in his writings as documented in https://www.ruckmanism.org/racism. Racism can be manifested in constant condescending remarks, as we have documented in Ruckman's writings.
Wow. I am amazed at your utter ignorance of racial matters in America. Ruckman’s writings are clearly deliberate attempts at poking the eyes of the PC-Nazis who run this country who constantly tell blacks that they are victims of white oppression while constantly cowing whites into thinking that they cannot have any opinions on racial matters without automatically being a “racist” or a “nazi” or a “KKK” member. Sadly, people like you only serve to reinforce the racial-divide by labeling anybody who purposely is un-PC as a racist. You are like the ELCA Lutheran Church which tries so hard to be “non-racist” by promoting “people of color” that they actually become racist by doing nothing but focusing on race. It’s like affirmative action – it is the most racist program in history. It literally tells the world that “minorities” can’t hack it in educational or work environments without extra help (cheating). You can take the same logic to women. They think the “quotas” help them compete with men – when in reality – the quotas just show that they can’t compete on their own merits. Most talented minorities find quotas insulting. Just as many minorities (and whites) find your ultra-PC race-baiting/pandering insulting. I find it funny that you claim to be a Christian as Christians don’t race-bait…
You did not deal with Ruckman’s remarks at https://www.ruckmanism.org/racism which provided proof of his racism from his own writings. We documented objectionable statements from him such as “Negroes have to be carried. Where they are left to themselves they resort to mugging, rape, slavery, dope traffic, and eventually cannibalism.” If Ruckman is not a racist, then no one is. We never defended affirmative action or racial quotas, and we do not know what you mean by “PC-Nazis” or “un-PC.”
Thank you Mr. Charles.
Just because he supports missions in Africa does not prove that he welcomes blacks to join his church.
Anyone going to a church in the south or the north will find almost no white folks in in predominantly black churches. I am at Bible Baptist church twice a year. Always some of different races there. I have never Heard anyone put down a black person.
They may not feel like they have to put them down because Ruckman has already done so in his abundant writings.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
I assume that if Dr. Ruckman could respond from the grave, he would quote Philippians 2:12-15 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembeling. for it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do his good pleasure. That ye may be blamless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, amoung whom ye shine as light in the world.Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoicein the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
Gœthe's quote equally applies to those trapped in as Mr Hassan rightly says BITE of the sects, Behavior, Information, Thought & Emotional Control. Ruckman called those daring to disagree with his flowing toxic river of inanities "conservative asses whose brains have gone to seed," "tin-horned punks," coupled with his literal negro jokes means Ruckman was self-exempted rather than above reproach as any occupant of the sacred desk must be per II Timothy's second chapter.
I have been there and have seen blacks in the service and welcomed. And he teaches seperation not rasicm.
I have been there also (although only once) and I saw no blacks among the hundreds present. Any blacks who visit would logically be unaware of Ruckman's racist views, because otherwise they would not feel welcome. His racist views are documented here: https://www.ruckmanism.org/racism
I’ve been there several times, seen a small handful of black people there nearly every time I was there and, where is that sign “NO BLACKS ALLOWED” I’ve NEVER seen it!
“Separatism” is not Biblical. Aaron and Miriam got leprosy for being critical of Moses’ Ethiopia n bride.
As a graduate of PBI, I can confirm that we were told explicitly to not invite any black people to our church services during normal church visitation or any other time we may be inviting someone to church.
I was in a meeting with Mr. Ruckman years ago. I was amazed at his intellect but also as strongly impressed with his arrogance. The host pastor, who I love dearly, asked Ruckman to come and give a commercial about his books. He got up and said a few things about his book table then began to mention his new joke book with over 2000 jokes for preachers. It was at that moment I was aghast as he announced that the “N…er” jokes alone were worth the price of the book. There were two very well dressed black ladies sitting in the rear pews. I looked back and saw looks of disbelief at what had just been said. I was embarrassed for the pastor and ashamed at what Ruckman had done. Is he a racisit? I would say absolutely yes!
I visited the church for a Bible institute graduation and I actually mentioned to my husband that there were no black people at the church that morning. We both felt this was odd until the evening service. After that service there was no double in our minds that Ruckman is a racist and very mean spirited. I am an independent Baptist that believes the KJV is the living word of God. I found him disgraceful and I refuse to ever visit his church again.
Ruckman is also a proponent of the Gap Theory, which was very common to fundamentalism not so very long ago. The Gap Theory is inherently racist and has been quietly rejected (as has much of Classic Dispensationalism) by fundamental preachers over the last few decades. Some of the “old guard” have hung on to it, but it has been so discredited that the number is dwindling.
Nevermind the fact there is no warrant for a gap between the first couple of verses in the first book of Moses…
So you think the word of God changes because society finds so called "racism" to be distasteful nowadays? God himself set the races apart for a reason and you don't have to hate others to not want to associate with them. I find it worse to shoehorn blacks into places they don't fit and aren't welcome, how many whites are welcome in black neighborhoods or churches? I grew up around blacks and have never seen whites being racist or rude towards blacks but have seen and experienced much anti white racism and violence by blacks. That is why I don't associate with them. I don't want to attend church with them either, and frankly I don't care if anyone approves or not. Call me what you want but I'm not going to pretend that accepted doctrine for the entire church history is now somehow obsolete and wrong because of societal changes. Remember the Tower of Babel? You associate how you want and leave others to do as they want…but busybodies and nosy moral crusaders simply can't leave others alone. You like diversity, that's great! Some people don't and that's their choice.
What you want does not match what God wants for all believers:
Mat. 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Psa. 133:1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
Eph. 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Also what God wants for race relations among Gentiles should not be derived from his commandments exclusively for Jews (his chosen people) in the Old Testament when many of the Gentile groups may have been 100% unconverted.
If anyone should set an example regarding treating those of other races, it should be Christians.
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment. Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
I would love Astara to explain to me what, knowing the skulls alone of the races are different by God's design, the pagan evolutionist's everlasting task as documented elsewhere on this website, her comment has anything to do with the GAP THEORY. It is then meet to ask if salvation for the mongoloid, caucasoid, Australoid and negroid are at variance with each other seeing as God has:
1) an elect among the isles,
2) an elect among the four winds,
3) a church in the wilderness,
4) an elect among Cushites or Ethiopians per Isaiah 45.
At some point I hope all of you take a step to look at what the manner in which this website seems to perform. There might not be any doubt as to the unorthodox and controversial ways in which Dr Ruckman preaches or composes his books however his endeavours to minister to the lost population of this world are uncomparable. Perhaps some of you should turn your bibles to Matthew 7 and read verse one, no matter your bible version,it should read along the lines of not judging others unless you want to be judged. I read these articles critiquing Dr Ruckmans style of illustrations or his beliefs or the manner in which he runs his church but that’s not what matters. We are given a commission by the Lord to take light into the world, the awesome power and love of God should flow through us to the lost that they might be saved and know his love and salvation and experience eternal life through him. My comment is this: rather than focusing our scope on a man who has dedicated his life to preaching the word of God, our efforts should be exhausted on the missionfield ministering to those who truly need it. Last time I checked I was not perfect and neither are you, just a sinner saved by grace ie stop pointing fingers and spend some time with the Lord to get your heart right.
So…does Ruckman never do what you complain about? Does Ruckman never point fingers? Does Ruckman not critique the beliefs of others? Does Ruckman not judge others? How come he gets a pass? You talk about how the “love of God should flow through us,” and yet Ruckman is the one who says that the Bible is “hate literature” and calls God a terrorist! See “Ruckman’s twisted view of God.” https://www.ruckmanism.org/twistedview
Ruckman’s “endeavours to minister to the lost population of this world” is not incomparable. There are many Gospel preachers who have seen more people under their ministry saved, called to the ministry, more missionaries sent out, etc., than Ruckman. If seeing many people saved qualified someone to be exempt from criticism, then someone like John R. Rice should have been left alone by Ruckman. And yet Ruckman called Rice a heretic, among other things. See https://www.ruckmanism.org/deterioratinglanguage
Your failure to recognize that Ruckman is far more guilty of what you are accusing me of reminds me of the old adage, “There are none so blind as those who will not see.”
It is funny how you try to make a race issue, and create controversy out of nothing. If “blacks” don’t attend services there it is their issue, not his. i think you might be the racist.
Would Jesus show up and be welcomed? Doubtit. What you have done to tthe LEAST of these my brethren, you did it unto me, said Jesus. Ruckman purposely uses offensive language to the least of these (in Ruckman’s eyes). They don’t get water –they get childish name calling.
Wow. I suppose we are fortunate to live in a day when most people realize the Civil War ended a long time ago. I am one who does not like to judge a person by their color but their Character. Have you ever confronted Dr. Ruckman about your concerns? I am not so sure it is "Christian" to have a web page devoted to, dare I say it, hate posts. I wished I could tell you that everyone in the south, and even many in the north, have been cured of the raciest disease. I am still amazed when I hear jokes about black people but you and I know they still occur and even black people tell white jokes. My husband said, chew on everyone's cud and make your own milk. I have been well taught under Dr. Ruckman. It has been rare that I heard a bad remark just about blacks. If you asked him what he meant, I'm sure he would tell you. I think if I attempted to explain some of his comments it just would not come out right. I grew up in de-segregation. It was part of my childhood, busing, crimes, uproar, it was terrible. Some never got over it. It was God's grace that changed my heart as I am sure it did many. We love Dr. Ruckman in our house, in spite of his flaws. I have some too.
It seems that if you really do not like for people to judge by color instead of by character, you would have written off Ruckman long ago instead of trying to defend him. I tried writing Ruckman once, and I got back the nastiest letter I have ever gotten.
Would it be worthwhile to post it here if you yet have it, Webmaster, to further expose Ruckman the occultist?
Some photos of my visit to Ruckmanland are posted here: https://www.ruckmanism.org/bumperstickermania
Don’t write; Go visit
Why don't you go visit Dr. Ruckman and have him answer all your concerns? I know one thing for sure that he will let you do. He will give you the pulpit as long as you want to discuss anything you feel needs to be discussed. Give him a call.
God bless Peter S Ruckman!
Hello, devil-guided people who attack Brother Pastor Peter S. Ruckman. Your scathing attacks against Dr. Ruckman are baseless and anti-Christ. Ruckman is not a racist. He welcomes born again black folks who love the Lord Jesus Christ. What he is righteously against are the modern and post modern one world globalistic humanistic distortions called “integration” that are anti-Biblical and which are a front for global communism. Besides, this is not about brother Ruckman. This is about your attacks against the AV1611 King James Bible, God’s preserved words. I am not saying you are not born-again. There are many backslidden people who are born again but who Satan the Devil uses to attack solid Christians. This website is one of them.
I find it interesting that those that worship their tin god Ruckman, resort to attacking those that shine the light on his errors. They tend to say you are backslidden, lost and other judgmental attacks. Some will even say they do not agree with him on some issues but yet give him a pass on everything…… how does on many gain so much power over the minds of people? I was a member of a church that was associated with PBI and Ruckman…… so glad that I got out of that mess
And trust me, Ruckman is not a solid Christian
I was also a member of a Ruckmanite church and am glad that I finally saw them for what they actually are. Not only are they heretical but they were some of the most uncaring, arrogant, judgmental “Christians” I have ever met. I don’t think a lot of them even know half of what Ruckman really believes because they tend to keep the worst aspects of it hidden. It really is a cult.
Mary……you are correct on so many points…The church has had a slow blood letting since about 1990. My dad was played and used….willfully. My dad allowed one of his life time friends to be hung out to dry on false accusations..Basically if you don’t “get paid to play”…or…..if you have “knowledge” …you can be “evicted” ..Right now my dad’s 3rd wife is trying to position and use attrition to get her son to cash the chip$ in on my dad’s remaining “Empire” remnants..In the name of the “Lord” of course..to bleed what will be left and used up….I miss my dad “of olden days” ….. my dad’s maid of over 36 years Mrs.Stokes said to me when I came over to dad’s house one time. “Mike, your dad ain’t the same man I once knew”….stated …yep 1990….My dad was a genius in so many ways…..and yet a reckless,decision maker also…..My dad never grasp “No man is a isle”. I’m sorry for your bad experience Mary…..
Is this Mike as in Mike Ruckman, Peter Ruckman’s son? Just curious, thanks.
you are free to have your opinion on a blog. I was a member of Dr. Ruckman’s church for 4 years. I know that he would not care what you say about him. He lives to serve God. I know that he is not a racist as you depict and I believe that he has shed many tears for lost souls and led many souls to Christ- black, white and other. It will all be revealed in Heaven and you will see what a fool you are for posting all of this junk. Go out and do something useful and tell someone about Christ.
“Do something useful…”
One useful thing a follower of Christ does is WARN the people of wolves. Jesus did this frequently as did his disciples. In fact, much of the NT is warning and description of wolves.
There’s a pretty distinct line between warning people about wolves and dragging a man’s name through the mud. This web page is devoted to lying about Dr. Ruckman based on misconstruing his choice of words. When you lie about someone to discredit them (particularly in a written form), that’s called “libel.”
You have not even attempted to prove what you allege about me. I personally visited Ruckman’s church on one occasion, so what I stated on this particular page was based on that observation, backed up by a photograph. I made it clear that it was a sole visit in 2007, and I further clarified that it applied “on the day we visited.” I have been careful not to accuse Ruckman based on third-hand information. If either you or I are guilty of libel, it is obvious who is.
So then every one of us will give an account of ourself to GOD. By thy word thou shalt be justified and by thy word thou shalt be condemned. Some of you all will have a bon fire at the judgement seat of Christ, that will black out the Sun
Personally, I have more respect for a leader whose opinions are laid out in the open by his own public statements than I do the pretenders that say one thing but harbor different views in secret. Ruckman is from an era that believed a certain way, and sure, it has clouded his reputation, but at least he doesn’t hide his views. Racism is rampant across the globe, I can tell you. It’s not a black/white isolated American feeling, it’s a World Wide Plague of intolerance, and it’s hard for people to break themselves free of it. Someday, though, we’ll all be free of it.
My own father comes from this generation. The distaste he holds for blacks and the mentally handicapped is shameful. Gods Word told us in various ways to love the stranger in our land, the poor, etc. Whether its hidden or proclaimed or a remnant from a past that it was accepted it is WRONG.
As a southerner raised by an elderly couple from the Great Depression, let me state that not all of Ruckman’s generation think this way. The view at the time was to keep all separate, and to a degree, this actually benefitted the colored (to use a broad term): in 1960, 80 percent of alleged blacks had a father in the home with flourishing banks, shops, and many owned their own houses. After Lyndon Baines Johnson’s coup for the POTUS and establishment of the grandfather of all American welfare- the poorly-named leftist socio-economic experiment called the Great Society- only eight percent of so-called black homes had a father. This was the same man who said he would have all ——- voting Democrat for the next 200 years… The communistic plank of promoting alternative societies was manifested, and blacks have been not only paying but perpetuating it since. What Ruckman and some from his generation never grasped was that the predestined of God come from all quadrants. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+5.9%2C+7.9%3B+ro+3.10-23%2C+6.23&version=AKJV
I knew a pastor that knew how to address his fellow brother when he erred consistently in a thing…many years ago…and after he took him aside and firmly rebuked him, who he respected, the fellow brother went back up to the podium and proclaimed he stood corrected. The difficulty with past correction and present sorrowing over our own personal sin is the question… Are we we experiencing and demonstrating true repentance, grace, and resurrection that the Christ wrought for us and is it being immeasurably, abounding with abundance, being made known to the glory of God the Father, so that it’s evident of future welcoming, the Well Done, blessing we all in the future should strive for in running our own races. My Elder/Brother in the faith, even so is God servant and our Master in heaven will give us our due rewards. May he be gracious and Our High Priest address by His Holy Spirit what we lack. Amen.
My mother once told me “just because joe jumps off the bridge dosn’t mean you have to jump off as well” it also appears that this web page has far to many self righteous people who certainly have never done anything wrong, and are perfect sinless Christians.
P.S. purchase the book Ruckman Ruckus of which was written by Geneha Kim, a foreigner. In his book you will find answeres to many if not all of your concerns.
Take care and God bless.
We have indeed purchased Kim’s book, and it has been dealt with here: “Critique of Ruckmanism Ruckus, a new book in defense of Peter Ruckman” https://www.ruckmanism.org/critique-ruckmanism-ruckus-new-book-defense-peter-ruckman
Some crazy Ruckmanite doctrines we have found that were not mentioned (or at least not dealt with) in the book include the following:
◾Marriage is “flesh joining flesh”
◾Belief in UFO’s
◾Ruckman saying abortion is not murder
◾Ruckman’s belief in superstitions
◾Twisted view of God’s love
◾Where the Word of God was before 1611 (The matter is brought up in the book, but the question is not answered)
◾Bizarre government conspiracy theories
So no, this book does not provide answers to our questions as you claim.
Dr Ruckman is in no sense racist….he loves old fashioned soul food!
I attended his church for a very short time. One morning, he told racist jokes before starting services. He really was a mad man.
I’m usually careful about labeling people, or movements unfairly, but Ruckman takes the biscuit. This is what he says in his book “E=MC2 or: The Bigger the Belfry, the More Room for the Bats “:
“Does the Book say that Ham’s descendants will serve Orientals and Caucasians no matter what steps are taken to change things? Progress: social promotions for illiterates, banishment of I.Q. tests, affirmative action, and the NAACP.”
The insinuation from the rest of the passage is that yes “The Book” does say that. His book is full of such filth.
After reading these comments about how blacks are supposedly welcomed into Ruckman’s church, you have to ask yourself a few questions that every Ruckmanite knows to be true.
Would blacks feel welcomed into this congregation knowing that Ruckman used the “n” word freely in his preaching and teaching over the course of his ministry? And this type of derogatory language is not just limited to Ruckman himself, but also to his predecessor Donovan as well. As a matter of fact, it permeates that whole movement. Every Ruckmanite church I’ve been around seems to have a fixation with race. And rightly so because Ruckman’s literature is FILLED with racist remarks & language.
Would blacks enjoy using his “reference” Bible in which Ruckman also has no problem inserting the “n” word into his notes in Genesis?
I’ve listened to hours upon hours of his teachings and have heard Ruckman himself say he would turn down a black family wanting to join his church. He instructed his students in the classroom on how to handle a situation if a black family were to come forward during the invitation to join the church. His instructions were to tell them “we’re not giving an invitation for church membership today”.
There’s plenty more that could be said about this subject, but I don’t believe for a minute that anyone with an ounce of honesty who has read and knows Ruckman’s teachings on race would believe that blacks are welcome at his church.
I was always saddened by Dr. Ruckman’s views and comments on race. It always bothered me and I would cringe if I thought anyone would ever bring it up to me. Here is my dilemma, and was wondering if you could offer your opinion as to how a Christian is to deal with such a dilemma:
I have been blessed tremendously by reading Dr. Ruckman’s books over the years, and find that I agree with him about half of the time, I’d say.
How do you balance the debt and feeling of gratitude to another Christian like Dr. Ruckman, while at the same time admitting and pointing out his faults and rejecting his false doctrines? It is such a dilemma. It’s easy to say “I’ll just give God the credit”. which is true, but you have also read the books of a man and listened to his sermons and they have been a blessing. The Bible teaches that you have to give credit where credit is due.
How would/do you handle such dilemmas?
Thank you for your time and response!
I appreciate the spirit in which you wrote your comment.
It is no secret that God uses imperfect people. It is only by the grace of God that he would use me or anybody else. I can look back over my life and remember many people who were a blessing to me at one time or another. Some of them went off on some doctrine, some ended up making a mess of their lives, but there is no denying that at some point God used them to encourage or help me in some area. I can be forever grateful to them, but it does not mean that if one of them who had serious unresolved issues wanted to become a pastor (for example) that I would back them up and direct people their way. Just because Ruckman has helped someone in some area, it doesn’t mean his writings, recordings and teachings are therefore worthy of being taken serious or recommended to others.
It must be realized that there is a richness of material on many Biblical topics from all sorts of authors. Discernment is needed in sorting through what is available, but allowing a multitude of qualified yet imperfect people to help us in our Christian walk is how God intended it to be according to Eph 4:11-12: “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.”
That Ruckman is imperfect in some areas or has been a blessing in some area to someone, somehow, somewhere is not the issue. We are all imperfect sinners saved by the grace of God. The matter is that Ruckman long ago crossed into the “false teacher” category on multiple counts as documented throughout this website. Rom. 16:17 tells us what to do in such a situation: “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”
Thank you Webmaster
I am reminded of what the Apostle Paul said, “who is Paul or who is Apollos?”
I think I will just have to give God all the credit, keep hold of the truths I’ve learned and share them without recommending Dr. Ruckman. It is God who is the source of all truth anyway, regardless if it was Ruckman or anyone else passing it along. Many thanks!
Ruckman teaches that Blacks descend from Ham, and that they are cursed with the curse of Canaan. I was taught that racial discrimination is the key to sanity. Blacks are cursed, miserable, lazy people that need food stamps to get by. this is what I was led to believe.
Ruckman not only likes to use the word "nigger", but he also believes in Aparthaid, where Whites are segregated from Blacks. i remember him saying "my dog can smell a nigger from a mile away".
One of the elders in Ruckman's church is a former KKK member. Ruckmanites and White supremacists share the same belief that Whites must rule over the Blacks. When they see Black people, they see freed slaves who are supposed to be under Whites. Lots of Ruckmanites prefer the Confederate flag over American flag.
Ruckman says that America is in apostasy and getting soft, because of Blacks. He believes that Blacks are ruining the government, economy, safety, and Christianity of America.
When I was a Ruckmanite, I was brainwashed to believe these lies. Whenever I see a Black person, I would automatically think of the curse of Ham. Whites rule the world, Asians are lost, and Blacks are cursed by God. I believed in this lie for 20 years. I even wrote a book that examines Church history as White European and American history.
I no longer believe this racist Ruckman lie. There is no difference in the Church, and God loves all races equally. Church history is primarily White history, but this is due to the times of the Gentiles. As we are approaching the end of New Testament, the Gospel is going to Africa and Asia. Africa now has the highest percentage of Christian population in the world, and Asia is rapidly rising as world economic power with quickest increase in Christian population. Korea has 5 of 10 largest church congregations in the world today. European Christianity is dead. Greece, Rome, and Northern European churches have the fastest decline in church attendance.
Ruckmanites are Southern White supremist trash who think they are the last militant stand of God. They forget that Korea and Africa have already far surpassed America as the premire Christians today.
There is no place for racism in the body of Christ. If one part suffers, the whole body suffers. Christ died for all, that all might come to the saving grace of God.
The son of Ham was Caanan, father of the Caananites. The Caananaites anthropologically are of the fathers of so-called black people. I agree bigotry has no place in Christ because we are multiple parts of the same body under the Head from all nations, tribes, languages, people. What fascinates me is that while Ruckman was one of the worst quasi-Biblicists in recent memory and one of the greatest sophists. Yes, some of what he said on blacks is half-true. However, to not regard what the Bible says about race is surely folly. Is it an acident the brain cases, hips and other physical features are differ among the races? No, they are a sure sign of a Maker! Theyare an everlasting impossibility to the secularist. They are an annoying reminder to the evolutionist there is a God.
I quote from Noah Webster's gentle revision of the Authorized Version.
Isaiah 26.9-10 "With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yes, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. Let favor be shown to the wicked, yet he will not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness he will deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD."
Thus saith the LORD, The labor of Egypt, and merchandise of Cush and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over to thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down to thee, they shall make supplication to thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.
15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Savior.
16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.
17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I amthe LORD; and there is none else.
19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I have not said to the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
Isaias 45.13-19 clearly teaches the real reason for slavery: God took the Sabean or Ethopian out of the paganism of Africa to quicken them elsewhere. The sad truth of slavery is that the African monarchs set the rates and gave permission to the Europeans at which Africans would be sold. The practice continues today with the Bantu or Boko Haram girls. God saved His elect among the African eternally (by birthing penitent faith in them) and temporally (by his spirit, Zechariah 4.6, in the new birth, John 3.1-36, or reviving, 6.63-65, what old time preachers called "awakening").
Thank God there is an elect as thus described in Apocalypse 5.9 also 7.9.
"After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, kand kindreds, and people, and languages, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sitteth upon the throne, and to the Lamb."
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to beconformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the first-born among many brethren.
30 Moreover, whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.
10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.
13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,
16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.
20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations
They weren't just black people…as Africans. It was also middle eastern peoples too.
But, I love your whole brake down. Very interesting. I learned something today also..thank you and most of all The Lord God for that wisdom that you shared.
See also Psalm 115 as well as Galatians' sixth chapter.
Africans are descendents of Ham, but they are not cursed!
Canaan was cursed not Ham and all Hamites.
You people are racists.
You came onto this website calling Ruckman trash and a waste of life better off dead; now you generalize all as racists. Am I a racist for helping to send King James Bibles to 250 starving Kenyan orphans until we sadly lost contact last year with others (some heretics, but one among us was black)? Moreover, why do you come with such sweeping, sophistic generalizations rather than dealing with your own foul language, and what verses do you offer to refute my comment which clearly has chafed your hide?
Yes, Bible Baptist is one of the last racially pure churches you can find.
Its comments like these that make me regret the popularization of the term Christian as American Baptist history is rife with negro preachers who God mightly used in some cases to bring hundreds of men as vessels from darkness to light (Col. 1.13). There isn't such a thing as racially pure church! Have you read Isaiah 45?
Zecheriah 2.6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
Matthew 24.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mark 13.27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
I hear the word N—– everyday at work and not from a white person. I guess in its self it makes it ok? We are all sinners saved by grace. There are many false teachings in the world today. Everyone on this site and in the world is a racsist. All are sinners including Dr Ruckman. Iv've been to many different Churches and most have some false doctrine or teaching that when we all get to heaven will find out the truth. Amen Amen Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is true all will be perfect in heaven where the believing world will then be made like him. Nonetheless, the messengers were in one accord, forbad any other doctrine to be taught, spending the majority of their time in an apologetic mode warning about false prophets, defection, false doctrine also how each are a sign of the coming of the Lord in power and glory in the middle of the air at the sound of a trump. The first thing to happen is the judgement of the just, who are on the same day acquittted whereas the reprobates are sent to damnation. If a fatalistic or defeatist attitude is applied, there is zero explanation for the Amen's rebukes to the original churches or the great amount of time his apostles spent correcting as divinely foreordained administators complete with now-ceased miraculous abilities. Don't excuse away Ruckmanism's poisonous, serious errors only to say all will be sorted out in perpetuity, for to do so is to cast away most of the new covenant.
thnak you for that well written comment, I feel the same way about the color issue. I believe that we are all color blind to some degree. The more educated we become the better we can hide are flaws. Even Peter was the pro Jew. please don't kill the messager but listen to the message.
To state that churches in the south will generally have blacks in attendance is an absurd statement of someone's imagination based on opinion. should we all have toekn skin tones to be more to your liking? I pastor a church in the south and we have no blacks in our church at the present time, but not because we have not welcomed them. In the past we had a black gentleman that was a member who has decided since to leave the service of the Lord as a whole, his choice. Had another black family visit us as well and in the wife' own words stated: "my husband cannot worship with white people". We have spanish, white, arab, german, irish, and many hybrids in our attendance and I love them all dearly; and loved our black membership as well.
The fact that no blacks are in this church I cannot speak to, but the reason why they are not in the church I pastor, I'm at peace with the Lord about, because we have extended the love of Christ to them all despite their skin tone.
Now my question; what would be the instance for such a statement other than to demonstrate the error of Christian thought? Are you indicating that blacks aren't welcome in church? If you are, then please remove the holy name church from the conversation because it is not a church at all that separates due to race or culture, but a cult. But, if you make the claim because none are coming, this is the fault to those who will not attend.
II Peter 3: 9 is in the Bible for all races, even those who make race their platform to create race baiting every chance they get. Quite honestly, it is getting old. But remember, Proverbs 6: 16-19 is still true as well and I'm pretty sure, almost positive, this is in play here.
I absolutely did not write that “churches in the south will generally have blacks in attendance.” The relevant part of my statement is as follows: “A typical church running several hundred in the South will normally have at least some blacks.” I applied it to large churches: “A typical church running several hundred.” You left out that important detail, making it sound absurd. Some small and medium sized churches in the South would not necessarily have any blacks, and that should not be automatic cause for suspicion. In this case, however, I don’t think the racial makeup of the church (as revealed on one random Sunday only over 10 years ago) is a coincidence. I had placed a link to a sampling of Ruckman’s writings on race which are an absolute disgrace: Examples of racism in Ruckman’s writings.
Yet another thing I agree with Webmaster on. I HATE most of Ruckman's position on race relations. Hardly any of them are scriptural and they are embarrassing. One of the reasons I can't recommend his materials to everybody. Sad.
Would to God you might question more of Ruckman's multifarious heresies!
"Strict and Particular Baptist" I always reject heresy when it is actual heresy. But you and I will NEVER agree on what is and is not heresy. I doubt you have a clue what the scriptures actually mean by heresy. There are things that Dr. Ruckman taught and believed that were his OPINIONS, but not heresy. I don't think you have enough sense to know the difference, based on some of the inane things you've said on here in the past. Ruckman never denied the Deity of Christ, the Trinity, salvation by grace, the existence of Hell, Heaven, the inspiration and perfection and reality of the Bible, the Rapture, the Virgin Birth or the Second Coming. Denying any of those things is what constitutes a heresy in my book. Odd opinions on race, outer space, dispensations, the physical make up of resurrected bodies, or any one of Ruckman's other OPINIONS, are just that, OPINIONS, NOT heresy!
All good points Webmaster. As for name calling and being mean with people, you're right, most of the time it's uncalled for and Christians should be charitable. However, a liar is a liar and a fool is a fool, a snake is a snake. Jesus name called all the the time! We just need to know when it's right and apologize when we're wrong. I fully admit that Dr. Ruckman has some odd ball ideas and a few of them are definitely wrong. But I could say the same thing for Scofield, Larkin, Billy Graham, a dozen popes, Martin Luther et. Al. At the end of the day, what the Bible actually says is all that matters (and by Bible, I mean a Holy King James Bible, a Holy Textus Receptus and a Holy Masoretic Text) a HOLY Bible, not some trash like Sinaiticus and Vaticanus!
You again bite off more than you can chew. The feminine noun for "heresy" is clearly defined as a willful choice against God's power, be it minute or mammoth, which is not orthodocy verses heterodoxy. Præterism is a perfdct example of both heterodoxy as well as heresy as it is universally denounced by almost any order as well as by all scripture. Ruckman's bibliology is heresy because like Pentecostalism it opens the canon; it is heterodox because we historic Baptists would never define any version as the original or superior. Psalm 12 spoken by inspired David referred to the words he immidately said as well as all future inspired speakers until Jesus as the church's prophet closed the canonical door around 100 AD when his bel9ved disciple returned to again be with his Master in glory. Are you a heretic?
Dear "Strict and Particular Baptist", all I'm reading from you is rambling that I can't understand for a minute. Please be more clear in what you are trying to say. And furthermore, I couldn't care less what you "Baptists" believe about anything.
And I have never met one Pentecostal who "opens up the canon" as you claim. All the Pentecostals I've ever known would never accept anything outside the 66 books of the Bible! I only care what the Bible says and I've never read any verse that talks about "heterodoxy" "bibliology" or any other such absurd term that you're rambling on about.
"Strict and Particular Baptist" could you please stick to plain King James Bible words so that I can understand what you're trying to say? The words heterodoxy, bibliology, and orthodoxy are just fancy words people use to make themselves sound more intelligent than they actually are. Thanks.
Daft you might be, but lazy & hypocritical you are. You have a working device with Web access to thousands of dictionaries you don't use only to dismiss the fact you have accepted the basic Renewalist platform inspiration continues past the canon, only you limit it to the Authorized Version. When Ruckman said the door of inspiration reopened in 1611, he concured with Rome as well her seperated Pentecostal brother tradition is an authority. You would have to be quite stubborn to argue a former fourth-generation charismatic of 21 years in that Babylonian movement about their beliefs, beliefs about which you know nothing. Here is an introduction from thr Assemblies of God's Statement of Fubdamental Truths, Condensed Version —
"1. THE SCRIPTURES INSPIRED The Scriptures, both the Old and New Testaments, are verbally inspired of God and are the revelation of God to man, the infallible, authoritative rule of faith and conduct."
Like all sects, the continued inspiration they errantly call prophecy, words of knowledge or wisdom an authority equal to the Bible known not as Sola Scriptura but Prima Scriptura, Scripture Above All. Ruckman followed suit in saying a mere translation equates the original language scriptures of the Masoretic in addirion to the Traditional Texts. Now, my poor revising of mistakes in my last post because the screen froze aside, Ruckman's pet doctrines are of equal authority, for he claimed thousands of extra-scriptural revelations divined from his mythic inspired Authorized Version not found by 2000 years of exegetes. You have a heretical doctrine of scripture not visibly or practically different from Romanism or Pentecostalism!
Another case of Strict and Particular Baptist trying to sound smarter than he actually is. Going past all the gas he's blown in this previous post, I'll just say this. The inspiration or perfection of a translation is not "mythic" as this "Strict and Particular" brother states. Fact: when the Apostles wrote an Old Testament quote, they had to translate from Hebrew to Greek when writing the Greek New Testament, which was inspired, so God had to inspire the translation! A further fact is that the words of God do NOT cease to be inspired simply because they are translated. If the translation is correct, the inspiration carries over, lest the word of God has lost its power and therefore I would ask how is it that so many were saved by the leading of the Holy Spirit by reading the Authorized Version? Strict and Particular, when you're ready to discuss those facts, I think you'll be ready to deal with the real issues without using big words to puff yourself up!
Oh, and I grew up in the Pentecostal church, so I, in fact, do know quite a lot about their beliefs. Nice attempt to make a judgment call against me though. You make me laugh Strict and Particular. But I think you'll find I'm a little more strict and particular than you give me credit for. For example, there is MUCH with which I disagree when it comes to Dr. Ruckman's claims, but you can't seem to stop hearing yourself talk long enough to realize that!
The claim you disagree with Ruckman is practically worthless when almost all Ruckmanites differ from Ruckman somehow while typically failing to specify their exact disagreements with their sect ringleader. If you can't see Ruckmanism accepts the basic Pentecostal platform after being reared in it, you indeed are a heretic down to the knops & flowers in the Greek meaning of the term as well as according to what historic Baptist bibliology has said. Here again, the apostles never translated what was inspired, literwlly, God-breathed, (I Peter 2.16-21), so will you actually come to the table rather than attacking the man? Your massive pride seemingly blinds you to your linguistic inanities & heresy, for I am with the entirety of historic Baptists arguing for the sealing of the canon, not the cessation of the authority or inspiration; you cannot seem to honestly grasp that inspiration was an absolute, once-for-all event to which no version can claim. How I tire of pundits!
Strict and Particular, oh yes the Apostles did translate the inspired Hebrew Old Testament, which was God breathed, when they quoted it in the Greek New Testament. They had to translate the Hebrew into Greek. You keep making these inane comments ignoring what I've said and making false accusations! I'm done with you. You talk like a demon possessed lunatic and I'm finished wasting time with you.
Webmaster, thank you for your patience and consideration. Even though there are a few things we disagree on, you've shown far more grace and understanding than this Strict and Particular individual.
I've made enough comments here. As for Dr. Ruckman, I agree with him when he is in line with the Bible, which is most of the time, regardless of what his enemies claim. I think he was a great Bible teacher and great Christian, despite his flaws. Time to go work on my own book projects defending the King James Bible so I can get those published.
For Christ and His Glory,
I am a former Ruckmanite. I understand Ruckman quite well, sir. It is amusing to me after I showed your heresy for what it is you then only attacked me rather than deal with the fsct you deny the cessation of insporation in around 100 AD after John the beloved's martyrdom at Patmos. Nonetheless, in true sectarian fashion, being true to your cult leader is more important than verity to scripture. Romans 16.17-8 as well as Proverbs 23.9 apply. God have mercy on your proud, stubborn soul, that you might see translation of the originals between testaments does not equate to any version today…
Being disabled, it often makes me wonder what Ruckman said of us. I neither chose this lot (Pro. 16.33) nor wanted it, yet it has kept me from much sin in life… Should his literal negro jokes be an indicator, or his heresies about the unborn, I can't say his views on the disabled are vastly better. Would he argue I should have been terminated to save suffering? Am I impure because of a premature birth? It's this sort of thing a Diotrephes would do a la III John 9-11; what a black marring on the crown & cause of King Christ Jesus.
Actually…. I have seen black people in his church as a matter of fact the last "blow out" I was at a black man got saved
Looks like a person of color playing Gospel music.
My son graduated frin PBI and I attended his graduation. I was never in my 76 years was I so shocked to see these young men whose lives were led and spoiled by Ruckman. They stood up one by one and gave Ruckman thanks. for the four years of theri attending PBI while Ruckman was living high and mighty these poor souls, admitted to having to resort to eating peanut butter sandwiches. There was a group of about 12 young girls from a neighboing school/church who were sat in a pew where the gradutates could look down at them and condemn them for being whores, harlots and the like. I felt so sick I got up and left. My son's life has been ruined by the garbage that Ruckman threw at the youn men. This church should be investigated fo total raciism who Ruckman is the worst I have ever seen.
For anyone still on the fence about Ruckman's blatant racism, you can watch this video from a question and answer session with Ruckman all the way back from 1993.
In the video, he makes the shocking admission that he desired to join the KKK, and the only thing holding him back from doing so is the fact that the Klu Klux Klan is antsemitic. He says he agrees with everything they stand for except the prejudice against Jews. He had absolutely nothing objectionable or disparaging to say about the KKK.
So in Ruckman's view, the lynching of African Americans, the bombing of churches, murders, burning of crosses, and other atrocities are something he would have taken part in, and put his stamp of approval on, had it not been for their view of the Jews.
Absolutely despicable! And it makes no difference if someone makes the claim "yeah, but he went to prisons and won black men to the Lord". His heart was full of hatred against them simply because of their ethnicity and I cannot see how he could hate a brother in Christ and love God at the same time.
I went and heard him preach a few of years before he died and he was using racial slurs about Hispanics while they were present in the service. What a shameful testimony for a Christian!
Thanks. I had not seen the video. I went ahead and transcribed his most controversial statements and made it a post at Ruckmanism.org. Two minutes later, on the same video (24 minute mark), even though he said obligatory things like you have to love the Jews, Ruckman went on to contradict himself calling city Jews “the most repulsive people in this world.” But in order to disparage African-Americans along with them, he did not fail to finish off his statement with “…out of sight of another group I know of.” Sick!
I went to that church in the late 80's, for a short time. I was staying with a family and it was required. There were a few black people that attended. They were unaware of the language that went on after hours. I didn't hear Ruckman use the N word, but I heard a great many of the church members use it. I did not like that church at all. It felt like hate in there.
Could someone tell me what is a racist? Not the news media definition please. Thanks
No definition will satisfy everyone. But here is a biblical definition of racial relations that should satisfy every Christian: Lev 19:34 “But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.” In Ruckman’s case, being on record stating that he agrees with everything the KKK stands for, and would have joined them if they were not anti-semitic, as well as his public and repeated use the N word is enough for me as well as most reasonable people. But there is even more as documented at https://www.ruckmanism.org/racism so the deliberation is not even close.